That is an excellent point. In fact I never thought about it that way.
I think that it has to do with how the parents and the media and everyone are brainwashing people.
Also, what is it that made these words bad in the first place?

You seem extremely mature for your age. In general I feel like European teenagers are more mature than teenagers in the U.S. This post is just a small part of that maturity. I agree with you in this matter, strangely, the words are what bothers people even though the words mean much less than the thoughts.

I'm betting religion plays into the whole "this is good and this is bad" thing somewhere along the line.

I've always been a big fan of the goodole "Fuck You!" when it comes to venting off frustration. Just makes me feel better than "You go jump off a bridge!" or "Beat it!" or the ultimate in weakass shit: "I forgive you and will pray for you, my misguided brother." Hell with that crap. Nothing comes across better than a good F U.

Somebody been griping about your language, Vova?

Don't make him repeat the "sweet bazoongas" story again. :-)

I agree too, Vova. Some people (fundamentalists)are so simple-minded that they have a laundry list of things that offend them, and if your particular expression is on that list, you might just as well have done the thing you said, which actually would be offensive with a child. An adult audience will accept far more than a family audience. Do you want to limit your audience to adults? No problem! Are you reaching out to children? Big problem! Note Michael Jackson and his crotch-grabbing videos. He got hounded to Bahrain! He probably still hasn't actually, well, you know.....

yea I agree but besides that point whats the deal with you and "your mom" jokes

Isn't it obvious why some words are bad? "God damn" is very offensive to religious people, and offending religion gets you into hell. And "fuck" implies sex, and we all know that sex is very wrong, and must never be mentioned, right?

Or something...

"Bad words" are "bad" because, at least at one point, the words were used specifically to be vulgar and offensive. Not everyone agrees that their meanings have changed, thus they take offense.

Words can only be offensive if somebody is offended by them, begging the question why people choose to be offended by harmless words like "shit".

And what the fuck's bad about being vulgar??

I used to feel the same as you Vova. To a degree I still do. And I certainly agree that using substitute swear words seems rather ludicrous.

However it has to be said that the public use of "bad" language in the UK has vastly increased since my childhood and the UK just seems a darker, less safe and infinitely less civil place. The people most using incessant "bad" words are the ones usually blamed for creating an unsettling atmosphere for everyone else. (NB I'm talking about people who habitually get about 4 swearwords into every sentence, even if that sentence only has 5 words)
To give you an example: my next-door neighbour uses language I wouldn't say to a dog with her 2 and 7 year old children. Hands-up who thinks those kids will turn out well)

I wonder if avoiding the words is a way of mentally avoiding the traps of extreme negativity and eventually violence. If you habitually use the most aggressive language you have no further upward outlet except physical aggression.

I also think that avoiding "bad" words as a habit means that you can use them when you REALLY mean it (and believe me it gets noticed when a mild-mannered polite person gets properly sweary) or throw one into a sentence for comic effect.

Oh and congrats on your WJF results.

Have fun.

PS Of course you may dismiss these thoughts as a steaming heap of shit if you wish. ;o)

your fucking ugly! ha! that would hurt me a lot less becuase i would be laughing to hard at the person that just called me fucking ugly. just say it out loud with lots of passion and try not to laugh at your self...

Good point. I also find it riduculous when people swear every second word. As a christian I try not to swear anyway. Personally i think that if you swear at someone, say if you're angry with them thats as bad as smacking them one. So you may as well just smack them one! No point being all talk and no action! Did I say i was a christian... :oP Ooops :o)

You said that the words weren't bad, it was the thoughts behind the words. To an extent I think you're right. But I also think that if you use negtive words, you are much more likely to have negative thoughts.

Besides that, it's rude and there are beter ways of expressing yourself. In my opinion anyway.

""Bad words" are "bad" because, at least at one point, the words were used specifically to be vulgar and offensive. Not everyone agrees that their meanings have changed, thus they take offense."

Words mean different things depending on the context. Would you be offended if I said you were "fucking beautiful"? It makes no sense to label words bad, considering the actual words are NOT what offends us. Words are a way for us to communicate. Thinking some words are bad is like thinking your computer is bad for letting you read emails that offend you.

Jon, I agree that swearing at people is usually not a good idea. But it's not the use of swear words that makes it bad. It's the message that hurts their feelings.

"But I also think that if you use negtive words, you are much more likely to have negative thoughts."

Disagree all the way. Words are only communicating your thoughts. It's your thoughts that influence your words. Not the other way around.

"Besides that, it's rude and there are beter ways of expressing yourself..."

But what makes it rude? Why do we consider it rude. Why is it that we arbitrarily think the mere use of some words is rude? To me it's the message that offends, not the words. Consider "you're fucking beautiful" vs. "you look horrible". First one has a "bad" word in it. Second one doesn't. Second one would hurt one's feelings. First one wouldn't. Conclusion: second one's rude, first one isn't. In my book anyway.

Isn't the purpose of language to convey our emotions as well as ideas towards other people? The reason why "bad words" exist is because we need them to. We need it for those times when we find it necessary to be vulgar, or emphatic or just plain angry. I think the reason why we ask others not to say them is because we don't want to realize that they themselves feel such strong emotions. This is wrong. Vulgarity and emotions exist and is needed but it's wrong to try to shelter people from their emotions.

"But what makes it rude? Why do we consider it rude. Why is it that we arbitrarily think the mere use of some words is rude?"

Its sort of like asking 'Why is the world spherical?' or 'Why is this webpage red? Why do we automatically think 'ah! Red' When we see it? It just is. Some things have to just be.

"Its sort of like asking 'Why is the world spherical?' or 'Why is this webpage red? Why do we automatically think 'ah! Red' When we see it? It just is. Some things have to just be."

Nothing has to "just be". There are answers to all three of your questions. There are some questions human kind hasn't figured out answers to. Doesn't mean we never will. Either way, what does that have to do with me asking why sequences of sounds are considered offensive?

Your answer is, they just are..?

Maybe people just want to reserve the "bad" words for when you really want to offend someone. You can throw around the word "fuck" all you want, but if you only use it every once in awhile, people are aware that you mean business.

Still, I agree that you speak the way you speak. Go get your expression on!

I see your point Vova, but I do not use these words simpley because I just don't like the way they sound as compaired to putting other words in there place.

We only fear using bad words because of our traditional. Depends where you grow up too. I get your point though. Words are just words. Instead of telling kids not to say fuck we should tell them not to get angry so easily.

There is an extremely big difference between "God damn it" and "Gosh damn it"...

You see, on the second commandment, "Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord your God in vain"...so by saying "God damn it", you're breaking that rule...

Thus, saying "Gosh damn it" is waaayyy better than saying "God damn it"....

But hey...i guess it's better if we won't damn at all...LOL...

About banning bad words--

There are only a few words that have any real meaning anymore, and you want to take away the damn few that do.
Mark Twain

Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer.
Mark Twain

and my favorite,

If I cannot swear in heaven I shall not stay there.

Mark Twain

I tend to agree with Vova. I don't see words as being bad, but as a different way to describe things. I don't think saying "Fuck" three times in a sentence makes you sound cool. I use a curse word when the situation calls for it.

Also, I am not the same Jon as 10 or so responses up. I will call myself Jon J to avoid confusion.

There are two concepts that I feel are important to consider when you think about whether swearing is rude. The first is perception. The second is reciprocity.

In reality, words don’t have any inherent values associated with them – but in people's perceptions they often do. My peer group does not swear very often, and when they do, they are generally angry, upset or trying to be rude to someone. Over time my perception of swearing has been that when people do it that they are angry, upset or trying to be rude. Eventually this becomes my reality. So when I encounter someone that swears (even when they are not angry, upset or trying to be rude) I perceive it as one of those things. I can’t really help this reaction – even though my logical mind can say that may just be the way someone communicates, I am so used to these words meaning anger or rudeness my “gut” reaction guides my perceptions.

This would not really matter so much if it were not for reciprocity. The concept of reciprocity is that people will generally try to treat other people the way they have been treated. There are lots of exceptions to this, but if you look at a majority of your interactions they are guided by this principle. If someone does a favor for you, you will feel compelled to return the kindness in some way. The same goes for someone treating you with anger or rudeness (or what you perceive to be anger or rudeness).

So if you are in the company of people that swear often but are rarely expressing negative emotions with those words, then you won’t take any offense to their swearing. But if you are like me and perceive swearing as rude then you will probably treat that person with rudeness or anger as well. This might lead me to treating you with something you in turn perceive as disrespect (such as ignoring your requests or moralizing about your language) which may lead to an actual act of anger or rudeness on your part.

So the key here is to be aware of who you are speaking to – if they perceive swearing as being rude, don’t be surprised when they are rude in return.

Interestingly this all has application for juggling and street performing. For most street performers your goal is to make money (although some just do it for the fun of it). If you think of the effects of perception and reciprocity it can help guide how you build your performance to maximize your earnings.

Again the first principle is perception. You want the individuals in the audience to perceive that you are giving them something of value. Some can see juggling 7 clubs as interesting, but of little value to them. Others (like me) will feel that seeing a performance of such skill is a gift – something of value to me personally. The challenge is finding ways of getting the audience members to perceive that you have given them something of value. Once this happens, they are more likely to reciprocate and give you something of value (most often dollars in your hat). The reciprocity is automatic – the perception of something of value is the hard part. Figuring out that perception of value is what determines whether one can make a living at street performing (or most other things for that matter).

hiya Vova,

i professed to being atheist for many years. i have only reciently read into it more deeply and have decided the term agnostic is a more accurate one.

a christian (or muslim or any other religion) believes there is a god. an atheist believes there isnt. neither viewpoint reply upon evidence.

agnostic to me is closer to science. i dont believe, but should anyone provide proof i will consider the proof.

this blog and the comments are really interesting. anyway:
I say "darn it" a lot... and yeah I sound like a 6 year old from the forties but then I can reserve the real swears for scaring people/yelling. Swearing all the time, there's nothing between realizing that I've forgot my pencil and waking up to realize I've slept through an entire day of finals. Everything becomes a big deal, or everything becomes merely annoying. Cursing someone out just doesn't have the same impact when you let it rip whenever. So I don't usually swear, and I get to startle people when I really yell, lol.

atacand

I do not know why some words are bad and others are not, but it is obvious that if you use these words in your daily speech then it is going to identify the quality of your character to others immediately. Personally, I try to never say those words around other people, there are millions of words in the English language, find a different one. Sure, the word is only really "bad" when it is referred to in the context in which you are speaking. But apparantly you think that the word alone is fine. So you guys just keep on telling people on a reglular basis that they are, "fucking beautiful", "fuck" this and "fuck" that, and come back and tell me how much you are now loved because of your new, colourful vocabulary!
Jared

wow! i never thought of it that way... you got a point vova...words are words, their just a jumble of letters... all that freally matters is the meaning you put behind the words...

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